> > > I have to admit I don't follow the local police blotter reports from > > > Finland, so I don't know what the average speeding ticket is there. I do > > > > Hehe... It's based on your income. His ticket was over US $100K. > > That would piss me right off... It works !!! That is indeed the object of the fine. A "normal" fine, which has just that affect on Joe Average, would fail to have any great affect on a millionaire. > if I commit the same offense as Joe > Schmoe a block away, I should expect to pay the same penalty. Some brands > of "social justice" don't make any sense to me... one more reason I'm not > looking to emigrate to some "worker's paradise". Let's see if I can make sense of this one for you. The condition for car driving is generally accepted as part of a social contract. You all agree to share a road together and behave in a manner which you jointly agree on to balance risks and benefits. If speeds etc are set too low it takes too long to get places and may pollute more. If speeds are too high the danger versus utility increases. An acceptable compromise is set BY THE MAJORITY. (If you don't like how that part is arrived at, see your Congress critter - we don't have them here - that part is another issue.) However, once a social contract is set there will be some who immediately seek to abrogate it. Penalties are set to encourage people to keep it. Those who disagree may go and play somewhere else (eg buy a Lear Jet). However, if a penalty is set in absolute dollar terms it has a disproportionate deterrent affect probably in inverse proportion to the square of your disposable income. Once you hit $1 million a year or so a $400 fine isn't going to deter at all. IF the social contract enforcement aspects are going to have real affect at all levels they need to have a similar affect at all levels. It appears that Finland STILL hasn't got it right as somebody is prepared to knowingly risk a $100k fine. If he wasn't knowing that this was the risk he is probably as stupid as he is rich. Now, I know you know all that and I didn't have to spell it out but as I genuinely can't understand that you can't understand that this is in fact "the same penalty" in the Finnish case I have done so so that we can be sure what we mutually understand :-). (I think that make sense :-)). Seriously, why is this NOT fair? What would be a fair way of discouraging millionaires from speeding? Assuming that prevention of breaking of social contract is a reasonable act (and some think it's not), should millionaires be allowed to speed more than average people? Russell McMahon -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email listserv@mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body