Jim said > Beware that which *sounds* too good to be true! OK. We agree. This piece of good advice (which I agree with) is trotted out often, usually soon after people have been badly burned by not thinking of it beforehand. Let's see if / how it applies to the current argument. - Will work for (far far less than) food. - Will work twice as many hours a week as "our" workers for the above income - Don't expect and / or can't afford health care we would expect as normal and/or essential. Will tolerate disease rates and mortality levels far beyond what "we" will. - Can be replaced from an endless labour pool waiting to take their jobs so that "supply and demand" pressures do not drive up wages in the short to medium term. - Children of almost any age who can do a useful job will be employed to do a useful job (and paid proportionately). - Will happily and indefinitely churn out quality products for our use at a very very very small fraction of the cost that we would do it for (in real or absolute terms). Too good to be true? If not, then please send me your children asap - do I have a job for them! Hey, at these rates I'll even pay the airfare (1 way)(special conditions apply). You can come too of course (is $NZ1 a day OK - we're poorer over here :-) ) Socialist utopia pie in the sky give-them-US-rates-and-conditions-right-now is obviously unrealistic and unachievable. But what is done now which is largely driven by what-the-market-will-(for now)-bear is also unrealistic. There obviously has to be a balance and this is not it. Only those who have no maker to stand before and no other belief in their obligation to equitable treatment of their fellow man should sleep easy. An independent late breaking thought. If we drew a chart with a continuum between the typical western standard of living and that of the salve labour workers "employed" by the Nazis in WW2 to produce eg V2 rockets, where on the chart would you plot the conditions in various "3rd world" countries who supply Western markets. Would be interesting to do. Russell McMahon -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email listserv@mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body