> TI's TCM1520A Ring Detector No sign of that one locally at retail/catalogue level. Avnet may have it but they aren't going to sell me just one, so it's probably a non-starter, but thanks for the suggestion. I did find this http://e-www.motorola.com/brdata/PDFDB/docs/MC14LC5447.pdf which may be a solution, even though initially I wanted to use bits from the spart parts drawers (may still try a neon JFTHOI). It would be around NZ$15 (US$7) including tax and p&p. The job has been put off until after a Thursday meeting, and for the time being they're happy with an outline on paper. That suits me as one particular tech issue (out of my hands) has yet to be resolved, so no point spending up until the project's a goer -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics