>> - this isn't like trying to charge a dead, stone cold >> Lead-Acid cell ... > Aren't dead Pb batteries dead forever ? I've always been led to > believe that significant sulphate formation is irreversible, and > leaving Pb batteries discharged for any length of time is unwise People doing home power in the US (alternative energy, like solar) claim 4 out of 5 lead-acid batteries die because of sulfation of the plates and are recoverable. Without minimum daily exercise, the plates will sulfate (gradual crystalization of electrolyte solution; reduces electrical potential and increases resistance). Historic technique to desulfate a battery was to force overcharge every so often. This wastes energy (which solar/wind/etc people don't like). And, when trying to revive a heavily desulfated battery can easily overheat it (damaging the battery, usually with a bulged case). There's a battery desulfator technique using "ringing" of the electrolyte & plates at the resonant frequency of the battery (circa 3.6MHz for 12V car battery). Circuit to do so was published in Home Power magazine #77, June/July 2001, see: www.humboldt1.com/~michael.welch/desulfator.pdf The "ringing" causes the crystalized sulfate to redisolve from the plates into the electrolyte solution. This can take a few weeks to a couple months using the desulfator circuit and a trickle charger. I'm starting some experimentation now on reviving a couple of car batteries. Besides the home brew route, there are kits and commercial units. References include various patents which can be found via IBM's patent server. Lee Jones -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads