Hi PIClist friend, I have a working 16F877 powered with a 5VDC, with a 20 Mhz quartz. Powering the same circuit with a 3.5 VDC, the PIC refuse to start. Looking with a scope on pin 14, the quartz of 20 Mhz, it oscillate with an amplitude betveen the 0,8 and 1,9 Volt, and on pin 13 a fixed level of 1,2 Volt. If I change the quartz with one of 8 Mhz, I obtain a bigger oscillation signal, mat not suficient to start the PIC. I have some spare 74HC14 available, it can be useful? Regards Leo -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.