> second, the article goes on to claim that during the time > that the earth had a 360 day year, the orbit of mars > brought mars between the earth and the moon.... OK. Please take your seats, lock down your reality and hold on for the ride. It may be short. There MAY be some fact in this. There may not. I have no truck with Astrology either in its mind-absent populist newspaper column form OR in its more "rigorous" forms (for reasons which I consider logical but which are probably best not discussed onlist :-)). (Briefly: IF it works why and how does it work? What are the implications?. Why do we, and Astrologers, ignore them?) Velikovsky was scientifically inept and appears to have been either a charlatan OR far more genuinely misguided than his apparent level of intelligence would lead one to expect - aka never let good thinking get in the way of a prosperous and famous life. He still has many supporters but they seem not to want to deal in Science as it is known despite the fact that their claims are proper areas for scientific enquiry and test. HOWEVER - You will note that they cite Chuck Missler. Chuck is, in my opinion, in a far far far different category than Astrology or Velilovsky. He is an EE with a very substantial industry background in computers and company management. He deals in responsible science. He asks "what if ..." and "may this mean ..." and puts estimates of probability on his results. He also happens to be a Christian evangelical lecturer and pastor and this may immediately make anything he says a priori invalid, even if it's not. The article referred to two of Chucks booklets. Alas the material is not on line. Here's some rough notes on the subject that I have in my "heap" ____________________________________________________________________________ Postulate: Earth had a 360 day year prior to 701BC due to a Mars resonance orbit affect causing energy transfer.. Source ? Also Chuck Missler Rhema 20.10.98 - says it is a theory only which has been well modelled by NASA. b4 this date 14+ ancient calendars had 360 days and all changed at/after this date to 365 days (!!!!) also cf Joshua's "long day". - Creation: jun-aug 97 p36 - The long day of Joshua and 6 other catastrophes. - Donald Patten. Ronald Hatch. Lorenc Steinhauer. - Baker book house, Mitchigan 1973. This book says day was Oct 25 1404 BC. Others say July 22 1443 BC. ___________________________ Note the mention of Joshua's long day. This is an event described in the Bible during which the sun did not go down for an extended period (about an extra day). Before we all leap up and run screaming from the room, answer this question - Q If you were to "slingshot" around a Neutron Star or black hole close enough that you achieved very substantial acceleration but not so close that tidal effects were significant, what would you feel as you did so? A The answer is, essentially nothing (despite what happens in Buzz Aldrin's novel).. A body in free fall, such as this one would be, is in a state of rest or uniform motion in a (gravitationally) straight line. It's just that the straight line does not look very straight to our eyes :-) I'm not suggesting that an event which caused an orbital or rotational "long day" is in the same category as the Neutron Star flyby but making the point that you can do some gravitationally very unusual things which you would expect to cause results which they don't. In a similar vein, you can barrel roll very very large aircraft reasonably safely as it is (or can be) a 1g manoeuvre throughout. (A headbangingly gung ho US Colonel who everyone sensible feared to fly with once proved the fatally hard way that you can get it wrong while trying to do it with a B52). If you play with an orbital system simulator you will find that you can cause "resonance" effects which take an apparently stable system of planets which rotate nicely for some while and then suddenly go horrendously unstable and spit out a planet or change orbits quite markedly. Add a Velikovsky billiard ball and some real science and some interesting things may happen. Look at the moons of Saturn (and indeed other outer planets) and note their orbital relationships. Look at "shepherd moons". Look at the gaps in the wings. Think about orbital resonances. Just try and explain Saturn's F ring. http://www.solarviews.com/cap/sat/fring.htm Note the phrase "Scientists speculate ..." Why is Pluto "lying on its side" unlike most other planets (Uranus similar). http://www.solarviews.com/eng/pluto.htm What caused Stickney on Phobos (and look how close it came to de-Phobiating Phobos). (Stickney, incidentally, was Asaph Hall's wife's maiden name.) Look at the IMMENSE Tharsis bulge on one side of Mars and then go round the other side 180 degrees and see what you find. Now THAT would have been fun to see happen. OK. Simulator power down. Goggles off. Seat belts undone. Lets go and find some of those 14 ancient calendars and check some facts for ourselves .... :-) > I read where someone claims that the origin of > the 360 degree circle is from ancient Babylonia, > not the tv series...and the article claimed that the > 360 number was used because the year actually > used to be 360 days, not 365+... > > the further claim is made that this can be shown/proven > by reverse calculation of the orbit of earth.... > > first, is this true? can you calculate the orbit of the earth > backward historically? > > second, the article goes on to claim that during the time > that the earth had a 360 day year, the orbit of mars > brought mars between the earth and the moon.... > > fantastic claim, just wondering if it's true or calculate-able > > thanks > > -- > http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics > (like ads or off topics) for you. 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