In rural America, one can get a battery powered electric fence charger for under $40. If you built a cage out of insulated rods where eachrod alternated between ground and HOT, you should be able to fix up a nice shield that wont kill the sensitive electronics in your auto. I use one such charger on a fence around my pasture to keep the cows and horse in. My kids have a knack for turning it on while I am inside it. I have been barefooted in mud and been hit by it, (more than once) and lived to tell about it. -----Original Message----- From: pic microcontroller discussion list [mailto:PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU]On Behalf Of Russell McMahon Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2002 4:02 PM To: PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU Subject: Re: [EE]: HV feed from battery can kill? > the *question* is in subject of this email. > are all those HV shockers can kill? > what is the maximum voltage that cant harm? > can it give an electric shock only from one ("hot") wire or must have both > HV ends? "hot" and "ground". I controlled tests (which obviously were not well enough controlled) 12 volts DC applied across the chest of a volunteer caused death. This would be exceptional but is obviously possible. DC and AC produce somewhat different results but the safe conclusion is that any HV shocker COULD cause death. YMMV. Russell McMahon -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics