Hi Tal, I am using PICALL software with Propic2 hardware and I'm very pleased with it. It's programming very fast and it's working under any kind of Windows. Whit the latest software from www.picallw.com you can programm 16f84 and 16f628 for free no more 256 bytes limit. My advice is to buy the PICALL PCB not PIC16PRO because for the little price difference you will be able to programm PIC's, AVR's, SCENIX's and serial EEPROMS. It is only 43$. Prices PIC16C62 + PICALL PCB ver3.4 + P&P (world wide) + free updates = $43 USD / 50 EUR PIC16C62 + + P&P (world wide) + free updates = $38 USD / 44 EUR How to order? 1. Payment can be sent in cash or post draft (NO CHECKS or POSTAL MONEY ORDERS PLEASE) via regular, or Air Mail to the address listed below. This may take 3-14 days before I receive it, I then send you ordered immediately. Please email me when you send your order, so I can lock onto your email address, as it can be very difficult to read email addresses in a letter at times. To date, I haven't had any problems with the mail system doing business this way (recommended mail). Address Payment to: Bojan Dobaj, Betnavska cesta 8, 2000 Maribor, Slovenia, Europe. 2. You can send money via Western Union Money Transfer to: Address Payment to: Bojan Dobaj, Betnavska cesta 8, 2000 Maribor, Slovenia, Europe. Bank: Nova Ljubljanska banka / Slovenia Check http://www.westernunion.com/ 3. You can register online via credit card following links at my home page. PICALL is there available in KIT. Mircea Chiriciuc EMCO INVEST -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads