> My El Cheapo is very unreliable (can burn a 16F84 once every 15 tries) and > the P16PRO seems to have a more solid design (e.g. decent buffers on all the > LPT lines) and the price is pretty good (about 45$ for PCB, components, > software and power supply). $45? Whoooops! I will sell a kit for my Wisp628 programmer for $21 + $7 s/h per order. It is an in-circuit programmer, without a power supply (draws from the target circuit). But OK, it has some limitations, like doing flash PICs only. Check http://www.voti.nl/wisp628 Wouter -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu