At 12:07 PM 5/22/02 +0100, you wrote: >Depends how accurately you want to measure the temperature, and over what >temperature range. For most uses (like measuring the ambient temperature) it >is probably not worth individually calibrating them. If you measure the voltage *difference* of a diode-connected transistor at two currents 10:1 different, you get a predictable output voltage from most GP transistors of 200uV/K. This is about 10% of the output sensitivity of the junction itself, but it is predictable to within about 1'C typically at room temperature without calibration using garden-variety 2N3904 transistors. This method is used to measure CPU chip temperatures. IIRC, the main error term is the base spreading resistance parameter. >As an aside I suspect that the cheap LCD temperature probes you can get that >measure inside and outside temperatures use this method. No. They use a very nonlinear thermistor and some smarts- no voltage measurement at all, nor a reference. The clinical thermometers are essentially the same, but narrower range. Best regards, Spehro Pefhany --"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward" speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com 9/11 United we Stand -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads