you don't have to use the FORMS unit. you can code all the essential things you need yourself. then your apps will basically be the same size as your turbo c app. but of course, you have to handle everything yourself. just like in turbo c. if you are really feeling adventurous, you could use asm to make win apps. i think steve gibson (grc.com) does this. one thing i started doing was using UPX runtime compressor for my apps. basically shrinks them 50%. so a 500k app becomes 250k. i have not noticed any performance issues. my 2 cents. moose. ---- Original Message ---- From: Tony.Nixon@ENG.MONASH.EDU.AU To: PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU, Subject: Re: [OT]: Best small windows developer platform?? Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 09:02:16 +1000 >Roman Black wrote: > >> For Claudio, you said Delphi is good for small simple >> tools, I made the tutorial which is basically a blank >> form with a load and save menu, the .exe is 500kb!! >> The same thing in turbo C is about 10kb. Or am I doing >> something wrong? I really would like to make small >> .exe apps that I can email to people etc, but I can't >> see how to make ANYTHING less than 1/2 a Mb!! :o( > >I've been using Delphi for years. I can zap up a quick apps in >minutes, >such as serial comms for testing PIC code in just minutes. As with >any >software package these days, there will be a learning curve, but >stick >with it, I'm sure it will do well - plus it was free ;-) > >The basic form is a big part of Windows and is very functional. >Resize >it, draw on it, write on it, minimize it, etc. etc. etc. It obviously >takes a lot of code to implement. Just click on the blank form on the >IDE and press F1 to see how much makes up a form. > >You can have formless applications which shrink the app size >dramatically. > >-- >Best regards > >Tony > >mICros >http://www.bubblesoftonline.com >mailto:sales@bubblesoftonline.com > >-- >http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! >email listserv@mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body > > > -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.