> Be sure that the programmer has enough > juice to pull the pullup resistor to low. And more important, to pull it high to 13 Volt! > 3) The clock is a major issue. If it's running when you try to program it'll > often screw your programming process up. That is essentially the same problem: /MCLR must be pulled up to 13 Volt *quickly* (expressed in the number of clock cycles, hence removing the crystal or having a low frequency will help somewhat). > 4) Lastly the programmer needs to be able to control Vdd. So the programmer > needs to be able to power the target. Why? Wouter van Ooijen -- Van Ooijen Technische Informatica: http://www.voti.nl Jal compiler, Wisp programmer, WLoader bootloader, PICs kopen -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads