Can any programmer that can program 16f84 be used also to program 16f84 in circuit ? In my specific case, this is the El Cheapo Programmer. Thanks, Tal -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads