>I'll keep playing with it, but one thing putting me off >is that it won't be easy to convert my existing tools >from Turbo C to Delphi pascal, maybe with C++ builder >there would be SOME hope of that, although i'm getting >more discouraged by the day... I would have thought that with your Turbo C experience C++Builder would have been a breeze. I suspect that your real problem is dealing with the windows message handling, which is rather a lot different to using printf() and others of the same ilk. This makes it a whole new ball game whichever product you use, and this includes VB and all the other MS development products. Some hide some of the implementation things better then others, but there is still a need to get "under the hood" to deal with your understanding of what it is trying to do with the messaging. My observation of the Borland products is that the C and Pascal products (C++ and Delphi for the windows versions) are the same beast wrapped differently to suit the different front end language. When you go through the libraries you find they have the same names/variables/fields/switches when you take the two products at the same generation level. When stuck for details of one I have been known to look at the manual for the other to get pointers. -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email listserv@mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body