Er. The quote refers to a transmission line - not an antennae. The correct length for an antennae is very close to the calculated free air value -but may be changed by loading coils, "top hats" and matching networks etc. If you use a transmission line e.g. coaxial cable as part of the matching network then you do need to take its velocity factor into account for this . This velocity factor is a result of the capacitive and inductive properties of the materials (pretty much entirely the diaelectric coefficient of the insulator) in the transmission line. Solid polythene gives a factor of about 0,67, expanded polythene a ration of up to about 0.84. Since an antennae is insulated by air, the velocity factor is close to 1.00. Richard P Actually - the shorter length maybe more correct - the speed of the wave (the 3 x 10^8) will be lower in a wire than in free air - which looks to be the figure used here. This means we end up with a shorter wavelength in a wire. A radio wave in free space travels with the speed of light. When a wave travels on a transmission line, it travels slower, travelling through a dielectric/insulation. The speed at which it travels on a line compared to the free-space velocity is known as the "velocity factor". Typical figures are: Twin line 0.82, Coaxial cable 0.66, (free space 1.0). http://www.amateur.radio.org.nz/nzart/examinat/amateur%20radio%20study%20guide/Course%20Files/Transmission%20Lines/STUDY%20NOTES%20-%20TRANSMISSION%20LINES.htm Also http://www.guerrilla.net/reference/antennas/2ghz_collinear_omni/ Using these figures we would get a 1/4 wavelength of ... 3x10^8 / 434x10^6 ------------------------- x 0.85 (approx) = 14.6 cm 4 >>> dpharris@TELUS.NET 05/14/02 01:33PM >>> Hi- Except you have 434 MHz modules, so you want: 3x10^8/434x10^6 = 0.69, so you want a 0.69/4 = 0.173 meter = 17.3 cm 1/4 wave whip. I think it needs to be straight. Hey, my 12 cm piece of wire seems to work fine, gues I should extend it. David Gary Neal wrote: -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details. -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.