Thats what I THOUGHT....you SHOULD be able to detect the PUP external to the device, yet I cannot, and of course the btfss instruction also acts like it isn't working. Dunno yet if its the device or what...I'm going to look at another board of mine and enable to see if I can see it there. Should be simple, just enable it in the option register..I hate it when the simple isnt so simple.. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.