What's Gator? I found that on my kids machine.> John Its another wonderful spy ware program. If I'm thinking of the right one you almost have to use adaware to get rid of this one, it comes disguised as a file sharing program. Adware can get rid of it no problem. If you try to do it on your own it can corrupt your Winsock set-up and you'll wind up reinstalling parts of windoze. Or if you miss a little portion of it it will download and reinstall itself without you knowing. I've used adaware for a couple of years, its free and it works. I'd think there are others out there as well. I worked on one machine where it was running so slow my old 486 I used to have was faster. Mind you 27 virus and 387 spyware apps all running in the background and competing for system resources may have had a wee slight bit to do with it. Dave -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics