Hello, I searched the net for a PIC programmer and found zillions of programmers of all shape, size and prices but am still confused which one to use. Any advice/help will be greatly appreciated. Things I am looking for in the programmer: 1. Ability to program common OTP and Flash PICS (e.g. 16F84). 2. Reasonable cost 3. Available pre assembled or in kit form 4. Well integrated in MPLAB (nice to have) or has good software. 5. Does not require external power supply (nice to have. Is there any USB programmer ?) 6. Available in the US (for faster shipping). 7. Can be used for in circuit programming My main candidate for now is the Microchip PicStart but it is a little bit pricey (200$). Also, I do have the El Cheapo PCB (got it with the book). Is it any good ? Thanks, Tal -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics