>I don't know what "-ve logic" is. I have always understood negative (-ve) logic to be the state where 0 volts = true or logic 1, and positive (+ve) logic to be when the high voltage (i.e. > 3 volts for ttl levels) = true or logic 1. Each has their place, especially when using items like NAND gates and NOR gates. Thinking in 1's and 0's in the correct type of logic can save a lot of hassles when using discrete gates. >> 2. For rs232, logical 1 is represented by a -ve logic? but this sentence is then not grammatically correct, it should say "represented by -ve logic?" -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics