"Waving a dead fish over 'something' during a full moon" can be either: A) A superstituous attempt to diagnose/repair a problem that is too = unique or perplexing for you to deal with, or B) A mocking or condescending attack on someone who's methods are too = unique or perplexing for you to deal with. Shawn Mulligan smulligan@extremeeng.com Extreme Engineering 17, 6025 - 12 Street SE Calgary, AB T2H 2K1 (403) 640-9494, Ext 207 (403) 640-9599 -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu