This kind of 'trick' can also be/is employed on what I call 'discrete frequency' systems like the TDMA systems using a 'channel equalizer' that works with the delays contribited by the different propagation 'paths' that otherwise can intoduce ISI (Inter-Symbol Interference) due to this 'Time Diversity' effect. By 'equalizing' each uniquely identified delay path (and tracking same as the delay will change as a subscriber moves about) and it's associated 'channel' these 'channels' may be 'equalized' before being numerically summed to represent the true digital waveform that was transmitted - and is now being 'demodulated'/decoded. So, this approach isn't unique to SS/CDMA systems only. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barry Gershenfeld" To: Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 8:56 PM Subject: Re: [OT]:Spread Spectrum Efficiency for Continuous signals > >I haven't seen anybody mention the advantage of eliminating multi path > >fading problems with SS. > > I didn't want to get that deep into it :) > > >In an industrial environment with transmitters moving around you could have > >several paths from the transmitter to the receiver due to the signal > >bouncing on the surrounding structures inside a building. When two > >different paths differs in length with a multiple of one half wavelength, > >the signal could effectively be blanked out at the receiver. By > >continuously changing the channel this problem could be limited to just > >some channels. > > This is called "diversity reception" and might be applicable while > hopping, but SS is different enough that you can't just ignore > some channels. > > >This requires that the system allows that data that is lost at some hops > >could be retransmitted in another hop, just like collisions in a CSMA > >scheme, which implies that it isn't suited for continuous transmission. > > As I said before, in SS each bit is spread over several hops. And it's > worse (or better) than that. The hopping is so fast that the each > "hop", as we would think of it, doesn't look like a discrete signal > on a certain frequency. It is a wideband signal that covers a large > range. > > >I don't really know if this works in practice but it is one of the > >advantages that is mentioned in favor of using SS methods. > > What they actually are able to do is see the echoed signal being > received at a later time (remember SS clocks are _fast_) and > so they can recognize and filter them out. > > When I heard this last item, I said, "If they can see them they ought > to be able delay them and add them back into the real signal to > recover even more of the signal." I don't know if that's been > done but it seems obvious so I expect they have. > > >> > >> -Brandon Irwin > >> > >> ------------------------------------- > >> This message was written using the Dvorak keyboard layout. > > lgid ks mddk tsfw mo h.sipv > or is it > bcj. yr m..y frgw mp ekrpat > > -- > http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! > email listserv@mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body > > -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email listserv@mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body