> It is okay with me if I can't produce the same or similar > product. But I want the right to pull code out of the project > (the right to copy) for other applications OK, all is clear now. Sorry if it seemed like a roundabout way to get back to square one. Well, then define their product and sign an agreement not to encroach with one of your own. The agreement that timknights posted has paragraphs that do that How would they know if you used routines in other applications ? What they are getting from you is ad hoc software for their product alone, I don't see how they could prevent you using particular routines in other work. Specifically described products are easy to protect (theoretically), but general applications may not be, and once theirs hits the market it may not be difficult for someone to alter it enough to create a new product anyway. First-to-market is often the best marketing ploy and perhaps that's what they should focus on -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email listserv@mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body