Tip to get short lengths (2m or so) of really cheap fibre - try a local telecoms depot or roadside workgang for off-cuts. Did it once and got a hunk of the good stuff. If they're a friendly buch like mine were you'll also stagger out under the weight of copper cable they'll let you take from the bin -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads