Hi Benjamin, I don't have worked with 16f8..., only 16c622 series, and in project with only one pic. But i'm using protoboard to test my works, moving between the protoboard and the programmer (picstart) MANY times (no special care about electrostatic), and ocassionaly when the work is done, between a dip socket and programmer (also LOTS of times). In many times, i haven't switch off the power supply (ouch!), and NEVER i've seen a die pic. I know that this are "bad practices", but is my experiece... I'm working with the windowed version, i think this don't matter. In my opinion, pic's are "rock solid" chips, so the cause of your problem is not the handling of them. RVP. rock solid = "carne de perro", what is the translation? > My hypothesis so far centres around the fact that I'm not using ICSP so I'm > moving the 16F877 in and out of the DIP socket many times. Perhaps on one > occasion a poor contact ment the output pin saw a +ve supply before the pic > was powered up.... -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu