Nick, > Them old engineers tend to freak out at new fangled technologies like > HTML and Rich Text formatted email! :) Especially if you have to download them on a lousy phone line... I average downloading about 1 message every 3 seconds, and the line drops out maybe three times every attempt to collect mail.... A good news group will only survive if the material is concise and useful. Once it gets to be too much trouble, many of the more useful members will simply go away. The best way to kill a news group is to post lots of unnecessary gumph, html, attachments, etc. ...................... Zim -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics