Jim opines: > I know everyone here is NOT in favour of the hobbiest, but that is where I am now. Things are progressing well and my first project with the 16F84 will be complete this weekend. Cool, way to go! Many people here are hobbyists, regardless of what kind of static you may hear. I would say that most of the "regulars" here are more than willing to offer assistance to others. I guess you missed the "How much water is left in the tank" thread. You really should have been here last year for the "How do I stop someone from stealing my mowbot?" Try not to let any negative aspects bother you too much. I can count on one hand the list "regulars" that are really vocal about the heinous hobbyists and the incredible, undue burden that they put on the piclist and microchip. ;-) Some people just don't play well with others. ;-D I too am a hobbyist for now, but I'm working on a couple of things. I would like to be an engineer, but I don't have the required paper-work. ;-) Have fun, stick around and don't be skeered of askin questions. michael -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads