After a quick search (I've gotta get to work!) I found a negative voltage generator from PWM, but not what my LCD is looking for for contrast. Typically, you put in a 10k pot between Vss & Vdd with the slider on pin 3 (mine looks great with just a 3.3k resistor from pin3 to ground). I tried what I thought might work, but it didn't. (a cap across gnd and PWM with resistor going to the contrast input) Any ideas? Thanks, Barry -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.