> > My point: Either submit an entry or don't, but please don't > > bitch and whine on the list about why you won't Hi Dale. Don't want to be argumentative but I think "bitch and whine" is a little strong How about getting Microchip involved ? The list has been going long enough with 2000+ members to surely have been noticed in downtown Chandler. If you could persuade Microchip to put up a prize of say US$100 worth of "useful" mixed chips from their ever-growing line card (together with the free PCB) then that would be attractive. Perhaps not on a monthly basis, so something doesn't "have" to be chosen -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics