> And maybe you don't need ICSP? Consider a bootloader, 1 pin minimum (and if > you pay me I'll make a version that can bootload using only the MCLR pin). > > Wouter van Ooijen What a great idea, and I even know how to do it. Very sneaky! Bob Ammerman RAm Systems -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.