On a 16F872, and 16F84 for that matter, I've gathered that MCLR should be connected to Vdd during normal operation. However, some circuits I run across show this going thru a 1K or other resistor. Why is this? (I expect that there is a good reason for adding another component). Makes ICSP possible? Wouter van Ooijen -- Van Ooijen Technische Informatica: http://www.voti.nl Jal compiler, Wisp programmer, WLoader bootloader, PICs kopen -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.