Dave D., have you, or anyone else, tried to operate one or both of the MAX232x RS232 drivers from its own switching frequency followed by a doubler or triper to get even higher (or lower) voltage ? I have a project where I could use 70Vdc at very low power. I think that this will work. What do you think ? What does the MAX232 spec say about overloading the outputs ? Afair RS232 allows dead shorts on the outputs indefinitely. True for MAX232 ? Peter -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.