It's not near as bad as you make it sound, Kent. True, we buy plywood in 4 ft. x 8 ft. sheets. But it's 9 mm thick. Colin And you think you have problems ? I immigrated to Canada from Denmark. They are metric, right ? I buy a house by the square footage, no clue what the size is. I order PCBs in inches and design them in mils. Had to buy a new gauge and rulers to measure things. All my hex keys don't fit. I can't repair my old Pontiac. Tons of tools wasted. I sent my screw assortment - metric - over here. Had to buy new. When I order cable or hose or wood or copper tubing it is by the foot. I have no clue in my mind how much I need and have lots of extras already after 5 months here. My little son is 13 pounds and 22 9/16 inches according to the nurses. And then everything wooden is held together with these square hole head screws. Size 1,2,3,4,5 - I have to bring the whole (new) set of bits with me. Should feet be smarter than meters ? I have a calibrated one meter step, that I measure things with. Now I have to use baby steps. And when I measure cable I have to take my shoes off in the store to figure out the price as accurate as I can in meters stretching the cable across my chest. It gets even hairier: Then if you ask how far it is to Squamish you get "about 45 minutes, eh" and the directions are "take a left right here,eh". I once had a good eye measure. Now it is warped. My mind is tired. Kent -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu