ok..about to embark on my first ICD based project, and using the RJ11 connectors...how is the pinout numbered on the connector? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics