Hello, Every once in a while, I like to search Google for "F877" or "PIC16F877" just to see what interesting things it pulls up. Then, I came across this: http://www.jstraubel.com/944EV/EVproject.htm It's an Electric Porsche that's controlled with an F877. This reminds me of the person on the list who did something similiar...forgot who. -Tim Hamel -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.