> (IMHO using Vutrax does not count as such) I found Eagle > very easy to understand, which is just as well, beuase the > help and tutorial are absolutely useless Did you download the manuals too ? Much fuller than the in-built help > Still a very good product for the hobbyist, especially > considering the price ;) And if you don't like it, fully refundable ;-) Heck, you could put that $0.00 back in the coffers right now, ready to spend on the next freebie -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu