Why not simply develop on a 16f87x and use something like the bootloader. http://www.workingtechnologies.com/htpic/PIC_bootloader.htm There are windows, dos, linux, etc. drivers for this... It's fast and can be left in circuit. Get the code running and port it to a smaller device if that's your desire. If you can't find someone close by with a picstart or a universal device programmer, send me the device and I'll program it for you. BTW, if anyone is looking for a device programmer with a little more general utility; Conitecs' Galep 3 is a pretty decent little box for $330. --Also has linux drivers. -Dal ----- Original Message ----- From: Pic Dude To: Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 1:16 AM Subject: Re: [PIC]: New guy... > No attitude probs -- I have 2 laptops running Win2k (in another room) and > the desktop that I will be using for PIC dev is also is configured for > dual-boot > with Win2k. However, the project I am working on is Linux-based, and I > will be writing a bunch of custom code in Linux, include SW to control a > hardware device on the parallel port.....all in Linux. > > With all that, it should be easier to develop my PIC code on the same > platform as I will be using for development of the rest of the project. > > BTW, I tried the NoPPP first but couldn't get it to work. Obvious thought > was the whole Win2k control of ports issue, and I don't have a copy of DOS > etc > laying around. Don't know much about fixing that prob otherwise, but I > tried the Tait programmer with pp-0.6 and it worked like a charm. > > If I could get a reliable/low-cost programmer to work under Win2k, I could > be easily swayed into using it. -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email listserv@mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body