>> This is probably a silly idea but how about a small coil that picks up stray rf radiation, rectify it and pump up a low leakage electrolytic, this could be used in conjunction with the battery, << Hmm. If you're close enough to a major transmitter and you can put up a decent antenna and protect it from lightning, etc, then it's at least theoretically possible although rather unlikely to work in practise. When I was a kid I had a crystal radio. The strongest signal came from an AM transmitter about 25 miles away that put out 50KW at 1.03MHz. My antenna was about a 50 foot horizontal wire strung between my window and a post mounted to a tool shed. This station (WBZ, Boston Massachusetts) came in well enough to produce quite reasonable volume in the headphones. One time I hooked the output to an audio transformer and powered a small 3 inch loudspeaker with it. It wasn't very loud, but you could understand what was being said with the speaker on the table if the room was quiet, but otherwise you wouldn't notice it was on. It was also useful for annoying my brother by leaving it on at night. He wouldn't notice it accross the room in his bed until everything was quiet and he was trying to get to sleep. ******************************************************************** Olin Lathrop, embedded systems consultant in Littleton Massachusetts (978) 742-9014, olin@embedinc.com, http://www.embedinc.com -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email listserv@mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body