> > If I could get a reliable/low-cost programmer to work under > > Win2k, I could be easily swayed into using it. > > www.picallw.com - P16Pro programmer. Works great in Win2k, XP, > whatever! Super cheap kits to build em too, nice stuff for like $25... I have one of these, (actually it is a picall programmer) It works great. It has never let me down. The picall is a little more expensive, but it does a ton of chips including AVR's, SX's and serial EEPROM's (24cxx). I have not tested it under Win2k, but it should work fine. XP is another issue, nothing works fine under it. michael brown -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.