>> Just got into PICs and found this list. These PIC's are really neat devices, though I bet you know that already. I've been involved in digital electronics for quite some time so I do have a headstart. For my planned projects, I'll be working primarily with the 16F84 and 16F872 chips for now, and using Linux. << The 16F84 is an old chip. The 16F628 is a superset and costs less. I would also recommend the 16F876 instead of the 872. In fact, others may disagree with this, but I would just get the minimum 16F876 to get a price break and be done with it (assuming this is for hobby use). Lots of other things will cost you more than the one-time costs of the PICs, even if you don't count your time. >> The next 2 thing I need to get moving are ... (1) An assembler that works under Linux. << I hear there are such things out there, but I don't care since I don't have an attitude problem and insist on not using Windows. The real tools are all free from Microchip and work very well. I use them for professional PIC development, although I've had to create a few wrapper programs because of how I need to do a build and to get some additional features. By the way, you can have the wrappers for free at http://www.embedinc.com/pic. All in all, you'll find richer support for PIC development on Windows than on Linux, and more people here will be able to help you. ******************************************************************** Olin Lathrop, embedded systems consultant in Littleton Massachusetts (978) 742-9014, olin@embedinc.com, http://www.embedinc.com -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics