>my planned projects, I'll be working primarily with the 16F84 and 16F872 Tip number one, don't buy anymore 16f84s, buy 16f628 instead cheaper more memory and features. Things a beginner should know http://www.piclist.org/techref/piclist/begin.htm Projects a beginner should build http://www.piclist.org/techref/piclist/cheapic/index.htm -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics