> btw, Jo, is not the middle of the night or early in the > morning in NZ ? Dunno, haven't looked outside lately 10:05pm actually. Just spent 15 minutes rummaging around in Philips new data sheet site http://www.philipslogic.com/datasheets/ I've got an oscillator circuit that I used for a guitar tremolo. It took some playing around with to get it very slow, I'll dig it out later. It used a couple 0.47uF capacitors and a 741 which drives an MC3340 voltage controlled amp. The problem I found with those low frequency ones using op amps and capacitors is that the sine wave wasn't always very symmetrical. Even a chip like the 8038 has a lumpy sine wave at LF -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu