>The one I bought consists of a magnet on a pointer. Move the thing >around, find a nail, stud found! ;-). This is the new version used since the knuckle-knocking method was obsoleted Also never use a tool handle for knocking to find the heavier sound of the stud ... it's 'inappropriate'. You have to use proper certified electronic tools. Grid dip meters can be used to find hollows, pipes and also metal in walls. The exposed coil is sensitive to both E and H perturbations. I did this and it works fine. Peter -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email listserv@mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body