Farnell has the new 16F77 chip if anyone is interested. 352-9277 $Aus18.23 (Industrial temp) -- Best regards Tony mICros http://www.bubblesoftonline.com mailto:sales@bubblesoftonline.com -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.