Oh, yeah. I made the mistake of leaving the back off our near-new 27" TV (quite expen$ive in '88 or so), and just shoved the tools underneath. I'd been working very late one night replacing a speaker one of the little darlings had skewered with a toy. My oldest son, about 4 or 5 at the time, decided he'd help Daddy by taking a 10" Crescent wrench to the neck of the tube. We didn't watch TV for a couple of years. Even if I could have afforded a new CRT, I didn't have the equipment to gfet it tweaked and aligned properly, and the repair shops flat out told me it would cost less to replace the set. Eventually the nice oak swivel TV made a dandy stand for the 13" replacement. And there's the bright orange spray paint... the drill incident... and so on, and so on. May they all have kids of their own some day - I could use a good laugh! Dale -- "Curiosity is the very basis of education and if you tell me that curiosity killed the cat, I say only the cat died nobly." - Arnold Edinborough -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics