I should have researched this a bit more. When I got to thinking about it, my last instrument flight for real was nearly 20 years ago. There are quite likely more positive controls now than then. I better add the Jepp Charts, binders and case to the EBAY pile... John Ferrell 6241 Phillippi Rd Julian NC 27283 Phone: (336)685-9606 Dixie Competition Products NSRCA 479 AMA 4190 W8CCW "My Competition is Not My Enemy" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jafta" To: Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2002 12:43 PM Subject: Re: [OT]: Flying Quantas > Aren't airliners almost always controlled - and once outside the TMA, > Area Control should be there, not so? > > Regards > > Chris A > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Ferrell" > To: > Sent: Saturday, 16 February, 2002 18:57 PM > Subject: Re: [OT]: Flying Quantas > > > Final responsibility always rests with the pilot. The only possible > exception would be under zero visibility conditions and that would not > be a > sure thing. > > A question not likely to be answered: Was anyone on either aircraft > looking > out? > > Another factor: It is recommended that aircraft on headings of 0-180 > degrees > fly odd increments (or was it even?) of 1000 ft, headings of 180 to > 360 even > increments of 1000 ft. > > Which leads me to wonder if metric measurement is required for > international > flight? > Instrument manufacturers take note, this may be a business > opportunity... > > Another consideration is whether they were in "controlled airspace. " > Air > Traffic Control provides only "courtesy assistance" outside controlled > airspace. I believe the aviation writer Richard Bach described ATC's > position in this role as "dealing, but not playing." > > John Ferrell > 6241 Phillippi Rd > Julian NC 27283 > Phone: (336)685-9606 > Dixie Competition Products > NSRCA 479 AMA 4190 W8CCW > "My Competition is Not My Enemy" > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kathy Quinlan" > To: > Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2002 10:40 AM > Subject: Re: [OT]: Flying Quantas > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jinx" > > Subject: Re: [OT]: Flying Quantas > > > > > > > http://www.clear.net.nz/news/archives/articles/00017782.html > > > > > > Nearly spoiled their good name in the worst possible way > > > > > > > Was this QANTAS' problem or was it the air traffic controllers > problem ??? > > > > I thought it was the air traffic controllers job to make sure planes > did > not > > crash > > > > Regards, > > > > Kat. > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > ______ > > /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | K.A.Q. Electronics > > \ / - NO HTML/RTF in e-mail | Software and Electronic Engineering > > X - NO Word docs in e-mail | Perth Western Australia > > / \ | Ph +61 419 > 923 > 731 > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > ______ > > > > -- > > http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE > topic: > > [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other > [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads > > > > > > -- > http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: > [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads > > -- > http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: > [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads > > -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads