In Airliners the are almost always controlled - fly above FL195 is IFR, and conrolled. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Ferrell" To: Sent: Saturday, 16 February, 2002 18:57 PM Subject: Re: [OT]: Flying Quantas Final responsibility always rests with the pilot. The only possible exception would be under zero visibility conditions and that would not be a sure thing. A question not likely to be answered: Was anyone on either aircraft looking out? Another factor: It is recommended that aircraft on headings of 0-180 degrees fly odd increments (or was it even?) of 1000 ft, headings of 180 to 360 even increments of 1000 ft. Which leads me to wonder if metric measurement is required for international flight? Instrument manufacturers take note, this may be a business opportunity... Another consideration is whether they were in "controlled airspace. " Air Traffic Control provides only "courtesy assistance" outside controlled airspace. I believe the aviation writer Richard Bach described ATC's position in this role as "dealing, but not playing." John Ferrell 6241 Phillippi Rd Julian NC 27283 Phone: (336)685-9606 Dixie Competition Products NSRCA 479 AMA 4190 W8CCW "My Competition is Not My Enemy" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathy Quinlan" To: Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2002 10:40 AM Subject: Re: [OT]: Flying Quantas > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jinx" > Subject: Re: [OT]: Flying Quantas > > > > http://www.clear.net.nz/news/archives/articles/00017782.html > > > > Nearly spoiled their good name in the worst possible way > > > > Was this QANTAS' problem or was it the air traffic controllers problem ??? > > I thought it was the air traffic controllers job to make sure planes did not > crash > > Regards, > > Kat. > ______________________________________________________________________ ______ > /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | K.A.Q. Electronics > \ / - NO HTML/RTF in e-mail | Software and Electronic Engineering > X - NO Word docs in e-mail | Perth Western Australia > / \ | Ph +61 419 923 731 > ______________________________________________________________________ ______ > > -- > http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: > [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads > > -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads