:-) :-) I have a hint for our poor disadvantaged (kangaroo herding) brothers and sisters down under. Propane. Yep, propane - I once built a car battery powered automotive osilloscope from scratch using a twisted copper wire on a bernzomatic torch. This was back in my hippy Buckie-dome days. So like wow, how do you guys do surface mount? Charcoal fired toaster oven? Probably have a PIC controling the bellows, eh? Or put a pic in the oven and when it smokes, it's hot enough. :-) :-) -- Looking forward: Alan Shinn >Well, off to stoke up the soldering iron! Wish we had those new-fangled >electric ones downunder! Experience the beginnings of microscopy. Make your own replica of one of Antony van Leeuwenhoek's microscopes. visit http://www.mindspring.com/~alshinn/ -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads