> I'm looking for a schematics of a brokaw cell that doesn't depend on using 2 > transistors with different emiter areas. Does sucha a thing exist ? Any links ? (A Brokaw cell is one type of band-gap reference circuit). An excellent practical introduction to band-gap references is given by Nat Semi at http://www.national.com/rap/Application/0,1570,24,00.html This includes (and tends to concentrate on) the Brokaw cell but also a number of other band-gap implementations. If you are more interested in the result than the specific method then you may find something useful here. I do like the utter simplicity of the "brute force" diode string approach although you do need more than 5 volts to implement it. RM -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics