U can use a bootloader and a serial port of a pc if u are using the 16F87x, this way u don't need a programmer at all, this is why I abandoned the 16F84 and always using the 16F87x -----Original Message----- From: Colin Constant [mailto:Colin_Constant-NR@RAYTHEON.COM]=20 Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 10:28 PM To: PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU Subject: Re: [PIC]: How to In circuit serial programing?? I really like the idea of using the IC test clip. Sure beats headers. Any other recomenations for an ICS programmer? Thanks, Colin -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics