I really want one of these: http://www.jwardell.com/about/seniorproj/ . Seems ideal for me for so many applications. Also begging to be open sourced...a $25 scope would help so many people out (ok, ok I know you gotta pay for the Palm too). Unfortunately every time I check with one of the guys who designed it, he tells me that Syracuse University is still pulling an intellectual property thing, and that he can't give me any more information bout it. Now since all the guys have graduated, he says the project is pretty much dead. Does anyone know how to get around intellectual property crap like this? Seems like the university is limiting education, not helping it along. Any ideas? Did I mention I really really want one? :) Josh -- A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools. -Douglas Adams -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads